From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1NxO6w-0002bm-Nd for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Thu, 01 Apr 2010 17:23:19 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7DB61E094F; Thu, 1 Apr 2010 17:23:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-pv0-f181.google.com (mail-pv0-f181.google.com [74.125.83.181]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB6DBE0925 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 2010 17:23:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: by pvg16 with SMTP id 16so499927pvg.40 for ; Thu, 01 Apr 2010 10:23:10 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:date :x-google-sender-auth:received:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=TCOavLuDO+VjEVYq35xnNFZ0QPkc3wFKMC9WzJ6LVyM=; b=fIYyhXpcd16bsuDSAvmkQT6y9vq1xsFg9diUTFKXPhgbQQT9t+5Js70heOGc4Xpm3g dTNd23Qq7KbmKmgwhkDU23mMymDBKyJUKEuf150FoejeKMJD0QW42v9q41mBj4m3e81k gCb92JKvGTgZJ5nxnzVVq/gMGx5c3lZckFZ9U= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; b=dzwJV/Sr/dB13BPNpquGNGPAkO1xk505cNBu7EPq7EfNrmOWEwkqO+zEcULT9bnnWD gDqEmCBI6/qaF1Y/awiugTXV+ARhsCBAL979/bMyG2nHj3VQURnQMmgPweNu4dAxA7TS MES1Yk5KeHPjZb9z7uLHzOp8OH1cjgrejEppY= Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: nirbheek.chauhan@gmail.com Received: by 10.140.191.19 with HTTP; Thu, 1 Apr 2010 10:23:10 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2010 22:53:10 +0530 X-Google-Sender-Auth: c59c48871d1981f5 Received: by 10.141.105.17 with SMTP id h17mr753501rvm.293.1270142590264; Thu, 01 Apr 2010 10:23:10 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Subject: [gentoo-dev] Please don't turn this into a pissing match. (was: pkg_pretend USE validation and VALID_USE alternative) From: Nirbheek Chauhan To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Archives-Salt: b89cec27-f040-47f0-a7f9-760c8d96cc60 X-Archives-Hash: 36509b56066997c89d63902514da29f2 I don't want to point fingers in any one direction, so I'm replying to the initial mail in this thread. On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 2:50 PM, Brian Harring wrote: [snip proposition] Improvements in this direction are indeed needed, but I would really like it if the volatile mix of paludis/pkgcore developers would not explode all over the mailing list. Please don't let the discussions get personal. The past is the past, don't insert indirect references to it and heat up the discussion. On a related note, I really like Zac's and solar's no-nonsense get-stuff-done-even-if-it-isn't-perfect attitude, and would love it if everyone else applied it as well (if they don't already). I don't care if the proposal is perfect; as a potential user of those features, I want it to be implemented in portage in a reasonable time-frame. Over-engineering and then designing something to death is not the way to deliver said feature to the user. It's really stupid when the design document gets more attention than the implementation used by 90% of our users. Also, what I'm about to say next may make your blood boil, but tbh, most of our users do not care about any package manager besides portage. If a feature cannot be delivered to portage users in a reasonable time-frame, it's useless. Either fix your design so it can be implemented in portage, or fix portage so your design can be implemented in it. Your choice. Don't say "Oh, use XXX package manager". Thank you for reading! -- ~Nirbheek Chauhan Gentoo GNOME+Mozilla Team