From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1O07na-00042E-Ty for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Fri, 09 Apr 2010 06:34:42 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id EBF6BE090E; Fri, 9 Apr 2010 06:34:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 530ECE05F2 for ; Fri, 9 Apr 2010 06:34:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E763E1B4019 for ; Fri, 9 Apr 2010 06:34:18 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at gentoo.org X-Spam-Score: -2.553 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.553 required=5.5 tests=[AWL=0.046, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from smtp.gentoo.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.gentoo.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YN+Ts3Bs9ank for ; Fri, 9 Apr 2010 06:34:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: from lo.gmane.org (lo.gmane.org [80.91.229.12]) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7A3D1B4022 for ; Fri, 9 Apr 2010 06:34:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1O07n4-0004vK-OD for gentoo-dev@gentoo.org; Fri, 09 Apr 2010 08:34:06 +0200 Received: from ip68-231-22-224.ph.ph.cox.net ([68.231.22.224]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 09 Apr 2010 08:34:06 +0200 Received: from 1i5t5.duncan by ip68-231-22-224.ph.ph.cox.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 09 Apr 2010 08:34:06 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org From: Duncan <1i5t5.duncan@cox.net> Subject: [gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] Gentoo Wiki Project Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2010 06:34:00 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: <20100408135105.49ca2e21@gentoo.org> <201004091042.45496.mail@patrick-nagel.net> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: ip68-231-22-224.ph.ph.cox.net User-Agent: Pan/0.133 (House of Butterflies) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Archives-Salt: b93e0900-3cc1-4b4f-97c9-162c7bc2911c X-Archives-Hash: 8dd3248fecb3f80c79e8b6d32f627c04 Patrick Nagel posted on Fri, 09 Apr 2010 10:42:40 +0800 as excerpted: > On 2010-04-08 19:51 UTC Ryan Hill wrote: >>=20 >> why are we setting up a user wiki when a very popular one already >> exists? it seems like a complete duplication of effort. i'm not sayin= g >> don't do it, i'm just baffled why we would. >=20 > Well, one reason could be, that the "unofficial" one lost its whole > database once, and there were other multiple multi-day outages in the > past. I expect an official Wiki to have a reasonable availability and > not losing most of the content, breaking links all over the net for > months. In addition to that, various invitations have been and I expect will=20 continue to be made, to the guy running the current wiki. For whatever=20 reason(s), he doesn't seem particularly interested in running an official= =20 Gentoo wiki. In some ways I can't say I blame him. There's a lot of politics that goe= s=20 into anything Gentoo-official, and it's perfectly sane for someone to lov= e=20 Gentoo but have no interest whatsoever in jumping thru all those politica= l=20 hoops he'd ultimately have to jump thru, or being the political pawn the=20 wiki could likely be if it's as popular and useful as people hope. Likewise, Gentoo's uncomfortable officially linking to something they=20 don't control in any way, shape, or form (except to the extent that we=20 could arguably pull his domain name for trademark reasons, if things got=20 ugly enough, tho that'd be incredibly bad for EVERYONE, so nobody wants t= o=20 go there!). Regardless of how justified or not those reasons are, they exist, and are= =20 a practical barrier to the current wiki and owner becoming the official=20 one. Yet the feeling is, and I as a Gentoo power user agree, we need a=20 wiki that we can officially point to, a place for documentation that=20 hasn't made it thru the formal Gentoo-doc and GuideXML process, and may i= n=20 fact never rise to that level, but is still valuable. Also, there's the licensing issue. The current wiki has a non-commercial= =20 clause for its content licensing that doesn't seem appropriate for an=20 official Gentoo wiki. And no one except the individual content=20 contributors can change that, so practically speaking, a new wiki without= =20 that clause is needed. Individual contributors can copy their own conten= t=20 over, of course, and other content can be rewritten, but the content=20 cannot be wholesale transferred, nor will it be. --=20 Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman