From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1O0IJo-0001f1-W6 for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Fri, 09 Apr 2010 17:48:37 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id EB7D5E07EB; Fri, 9 Apr 2010 17:48:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-fx0-f212.google.com (mail-fx0-f212.google.com [209.85.220.212]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36787E079B for ; Fri, 9 Apr 2010 17:48:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: by fxm4 with SMTP id 4so3134620fxm.26 for ; Fri, 09 Apr 2010 10:48:27 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=NyoFLmMPMSYsiMLrECsf0qPXr3DdsxKyqibMqD5Z3mc=; b=L0ZfINj4Sua1+RgMufIis9BYHQJgv/lwJOB8Xk1PjUGvuQnHC8dwCLNqlA7/Nm6ub5 U14UWzkANXqV0WG1XfBOwKix05GiT6ilX++s93NCmeoMtONLLr3V3XqWs03pIVieL/HJ UcATB6gUvfBnQoxc0jL80is1pMy1wlo/FMeh4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=I/+nGtJ2fo0j3cagSwKVkCfwjuH+qY/T+PIfTrOUTNVyssZh39dOif1jiOmie4Gjc6 bRV1SFPiOZMZNNfj3tSYxhRXPa1REJC9MD0Gm8cbEm1B8e5KUE5XBK093r3sFvO8fqLP TlaGCl1U/RLBM8Wmn23rSOgcwxlPBwpPzu7b0= Received: by 10.223.5.5 with SMTP id 5mr357652fat.80.1270835307570; Fri, 09 Apr 2010 10:48:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.18] ([95.147.53.129]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 14sm881789fxm.1.2010.04.09.10.48.26 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 09 Apr 2010 10:48:26 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4BBF686E.7040807@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 09 Apr 2010 18:48:30 +0100 From: George Prowse User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-GB; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100317 Lightning/1.0b1 Thunderbird/3.0.4 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] Gentoo Wiki Project References: <20100408135105.49ca2e21@gentoo.org> <20100408145604.647ce147@gentoo.org> <20100408165536.76cdfcc9@gentoo.org> <20100409072616.c8e29fbe.guy.fontaine@videotron.qc.ca> <4BBF5DB0.2040906@gmail.com> <20100409172456.GA13726@Caemlyn.Fullrate> In-Reply-To: <20100409172456.GA13726@Caemlyn.Fullrate> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: 9cf27cbf-433e-49bd-b2ae-b2802ffc69ee X-Archives-Hash: c7eb5b29d7bf26b5b306f179bc208e80 On 09/04/2010 18:24, Zeerak Mustafa Waseem wrote: > On Fri, Apr 09, 2010 at 06:02:40PM +0100, George Prowse wrote: >> On 09/04/2010 13:38, Ben de Groot wrote: >>> On 9 April 2010 13:26, Guy Fontaine wrote: >>>> There are things I know about Gentoo Linux and I'm pleased to share my knowledge with others as well as I'm glad to learn from others. I'm not a Gentoo dev and I neither have plan nor wish to be. >>>> >>>> My feeling is that Gentoo Wiki Project is just but another occasion for debating rules and politics. Reading some messages from some people I feel like I'm not welcome because I'm not a member of a group of selected people. >>> >>> Don't be dismayed by negative remarks, or a few naysayers who are not >>> even part of the Gentoo Wiki Project. Any user (or dev) with >>> constructive input is welcome. And as you volunteered, you are part of >>> the project. >>> >>> Cheers, >> >> I still dont understand people's problems with this. Several devs have >> said they've wanted one for years, it would be a great place to review >> documentation before going in the official documentation, it's a great >> place to discuss and collaborate on future dev handbook pages. >> >> The official wiki could and *should* work together with the unofficial >> wiki because they complement eachother. The unofficial wiki isn't going >> to want detailed OpenRC documentation and the official wiki isn't going >> to want "how to set up FreeDOOM" on it. >> > > Really? I understood it as the wiki being an all-purposes wiki, meaning users could (would and should) create articles on how to get some application running or how to get some setting working, and the developers will have their own "section", so to speak, where they can collaborate on various projects where a wiki would be an asset. > It seems to me from the discussion here on the list that it is to centralize documentation (- the official docs), so that gentoo can point to the wiki and say "If it's not in our docs, maybe it's in the wiki". > > I may have mistaken the actual purpose of the wiki, but then by all means, correct me :-) > I see it as a collaboration piece, something to bridge the gap between developers and users. Users can create pages detailing certain facets of Gentoo and it may get to be included in the documentation on gentoo.org. Some documentation is unfit for an official wiki but that doesn't mean that the information doesn't need to be there for users, that is where the official and unofficial wiki should work together .