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From: Kent Fredric <kentnl@gentoo.org>
To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Packages up for grabs
Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2016 16:04:19 +1200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20160807160419.430324d1@katipo2.lan> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20160806192819.GG12988@foo.stuge.se>

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On Sat, 6 Aug 2016 19:28:19 +0000
Peter Stuge <peter@stuge.se> wrote:

> Michał Górny wrote:
> > Or file a pull request @ https://github.com/gentoo/gentoo/pulls.
> > That's the most convenient solution for most of proxy-maint team
> > members.  
> 
> How can I help improve that problematic situation?
> 
> It's not cool to gravitate the project towards GitHub Inc.

I kinda think this missed the point.  ( Though I did entirely expect a
complaint when he suggested it )

One avenue for contribution without Github: Patches by bugzilla, was
stated.

That will work, and is not restricting anyones freedom. It may however,
restrict convenience. But not freedom.

As far as I'm concerned, the statement about Github was a "oh, yeah,
and if you want, Github works too, so if you find that more convenient,
so do we, go right ahead, but you ain't gotta".

Everyone is free to, and encouraged to, create better solutions.

But there's no force to use Github.

If Github dies tomorrow, Gentoo will not drop dead. The convenience
will be lost, but people will still be completely able to send queues
of patches via bugzilla, or email, in the event that web browsers all
spontaneously die and cease to be free by some dark voodoo magic.

`git format-patch` is after all optimised for that latter case somewhat.

Maybe we should look into an Email Based submission service, create a
gentoo mailing list exclusively for 3rd party (proxy-maint) mail patch
queues, optimised for receiving and vetting patch sequences.

You don't need some fancy Java wank for that.

Then all we'd need is some alternative implementation of
dev-perl/Gentoo-App-Pram that can read a local mbox, and select
emails/email threads containing patch series, apply them, push them,
and then auto-reply to the email with a confirmation.

And then people could continue to use Github for their
easy-fast-non-free-workflow, and they could use some email submission
thing for the slightly-less-easy-but-free-as-hell workflow.

And for extra fun, we could support non-patch-queue emails that
contained references to public arbitrary git repositories and
automatically configured itself to pick a patch series from it, like
this example [1]: 

1: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/linux.kernel/w957vpu3PPU

I mean, What do the Linux Kernel use? It would be a shame if they were
happening to use the email based workflow like I suggested([2,3,4]), and
if only there was a Gentoo Staffer who knew how Linux Contributions
worked and had documented it (sarcasm: [5])

2: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/linux.kernel/w957vpu3PPU
3: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3960876
4: https://github.com/torvalds/linux/pull/17#issuecomment-5663780
5:
https://github.com/gregkh/kernel-tutorial/blob/master/walkthrough#L47-L52




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  parent reply	other threads:[~2016-08-07  4:04 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 82+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-08-06 14:39 [gentoo-dev] Re: Packages up for grabs Felix Janda
2016-08-06 16:04 ` Peter Stuge
2016-08-06 16:22   ` Michał Górny
2016-08-06 19:28     ` Peter Stuge
2016-08-06 20:47       ` Rich Freeman
2016-08-06 20:55         ` Michał Górny
2016-08-06 22:32           ` Rich Freeman
2016-08-06 21:12       ` Peter Stuge
2016-08-07  6:48         ` Michał Górny
2016-08-07  7:38           ` Consus
2016-08-07 13:24             ` james
2016-08-07 13:32               ` Kent Fredric
2016-08-07 14:06                 ` Alan McKinnon
2016-08-07 14:46                   ` Alec Ten Harmsel
2016-08-07 17:36                   ` james
2016-08-07 20:04                     ` Alan McKinnon
2016-08-07 20:48                       ` Patrick Lauer
2016-08-07 22:29                         ` james
2016-08-07 21:49                       ` james
2016-08-08  3:22                         ` Kent Fredric
2016-08-08  5:26                           ` james
2016-08-08  4:33                             ` Kent Fredric
2016-08-08  5:43                               ` Kent Fredric
2016-08-07 17:24                 ` james
2016-08-07 16:21                   ` Ciaran McCreesh
2016-08-07 17:59                     ` james
2016-08-07 16:55                   ` Easy Installs / Stage 4 ( Was: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Packages up for grabs ) Kent Fredric
2016-08-07 19:57                     ` james
2016-08-08  5:14                       ` Jason Zaman
2016-08-07 14:09               ` [gentoo-dev] Re: Packages up for grabs Consus
2016-08-07 17:44                 ` james
2016-08-07 14:47               ` Rich Freeman
2016-08-07 17:47                 ` james
2016-08-07 17:49                   ` Rich Freeman
2016-08-07 19:33                     ` james
2016-08-07  4:04       ` Kent Fredric [this message]
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2018-03-10 13:12 [gentoo-dev] " Pacho Ramos
2018-03-10 23:53 ` [gentoo-dev] " Michael Palimaka
2017-04-27 10:58 [gentoo-dev] " Dirkjan Ochtman
2017-06-28  9:19 ` [gentoo-dev] " Dirkjan Ochtman
2017-03-26 19:50 [gentoo-dev] " aidecoe
2017-03-27  8:13 ` [gentoo-dev] " Marek Szuba
2016-08-07  9:26 [gentoo-dev] " Pacho Ramos
2016-08-07 15:50 ` [gentoo-dev] " Michael Palimaka
2016-06-02 15:42 [gentoo-dev] " james
2016-06-03 17:02 ` [gentoo-dev] " Justin Bronder
2016-06-03 18:41   ` james
2014-11-24  1:17 [gentoo-dev] " hasufell
2014-11-24  3:08 ` Daniel Campbell
2014-11-26  9:15   ` Yixun Lan
2014-11-27  9:51     ` Daniel Campbell
2014-12-03 16:34       ` [gentoo-dev] " Harvey
2014-12-04  6:17         ` Daniel Campbell
2014-11-11 14:59 [gentoo-dev] " Pavlos Ratis
2014-11-14  3:02 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-12-01 11:00   ` Pacho Ramos
2015-01-07 14:06     ` Pacho Ramos
2015-01-08  1:29       ` Andrew Savchenko
2015-01-08  9:28         ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2015-01-08 10:12           ` Duncan
2013-06-16 10:03 [gentoo-dev] " Pacho Ramos
2013-06-16 10:24 ` [gentoo-dev] " Pacho Ramos
2013-06-16  9:49 [gentoo-dev] " Pacho Ramos
2013-06-16 12:48 ` Dirkjan Ochtman
2013-06-16 13:55   ` Brian Dolbec
2013-06-16 14:44     ` Tom Wijsman
2013-06-16 17:09       ` Brian Dolbec
2013-06-16 17:21         ` Pacho Ramos
2013-06-16 18:23           ` Tom Wijsman
2013-06-16 19:33             ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2013-06-16 19:43               ` Andreas K. Huettel
2013-06-16 21:24               ` Tom Wijsman
2013-06-16 21:38                 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2013-06-16 22:07                   ` Tom Wijsman
2013-06-16 22:20                     ` Ciaran McCreesh
2013-06-24 15:27                 ` Duncan
2013-06-24 23:18                   ` Tom Wijsman
2013-06-25  6:16                     ` Duncan
2013-06-16  9:31 [gentoo-dev] " Pacho Ramos
2013-06-16 12:19 ` gmt
2013-06-16 12:27   ` Pacho Ramos
2013-06-16 13:02     ` gmt
2013-06-16 13:22       ` [gentoo-dev] " Michael Palimaka
2013-01-20 10:30 [gentoo-dev] " Pacho Ramos
2013-01-20 19:15 ` [gentoo-dev] " Mike Gilbert
2012-03-01 22:17 [gentoo-dev] " Markos Chandras
2012-03-06  4:40 ` [gentoo-dev] " Ryan Hill
2011-01-06 12:17 [gentoo-dev] " Christian Faulhammer
2011-01-06 12:32 ` Dirkjan Ochtman
2011-01-12  9:24   ` [gentoo-dev] " Christian Faulhammer
2011-01-06 17:34 ` [gentoo-dev] " Sebastian Pipping
2011-01-07  8:49   ` [gentoo-dev] " Christian Faulhammer
2011-01-07 16:39     ` Sebastian Pipping
2011-01-07 18:57       ` Christian Faulhammer
2010-10-10 14:45 [gentoo-dev] " Markos Chandras
2010-10-10 16:13 ` [gentoo-dev] " Diego Elio Pettenò
2010-10-12  0:52   ` Jeroen Roovers
2010-10-12  6:01     ` Duncan
2010-10-12 17:17       ` Tomás Touceda
2009-02-11 18:02 [gentoo-dev] " Santiago M. Mola
2009-02-12  3:12 ` [gentoo-dev] " Ryan Hill
2008-10-31 20:42 [gentoo-dev] packages " Daniel Drake
2008-11-09  8:39 ` [gentoo-dev] " Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò
2008-07-20  6:44 [gentoo-dev] Packages " Christian Faulhammer
2008-07-20 17:01 ` Alexis Ballier
2008-07-21  6:27   ` [gentoo-dev] " Christian Faulhammer
2008-07-20 18:21 ` [gentoo-dev] " Thomas Anderson
2008-07-21  6:27   ` [gentoo-dev] " Christian Faulhammer
2008-05-31  5:09 [gentoo-dev] packages " Mike Frysinger
2008-05-31  8:05 ` Donnie Berkholz
2008-05-31  9:13   ` [gentoo-dev] " Tiziano Müller
2008-05-31 14:35 ` [gentoo-dev] " Philip Webb
2008-05-31 17:04   ` Thilo Bangert
2008-05-31 17:05     ` [gentoo-dev] " Ali Polatel
2008-05-31 15:33 ` Ali Polatel
2008-06-02 14:57 ` Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò
2008-06-02 19:47 ` Gunnar Wrobel
2008-06-02 20:45   ` Joe Peterson
2008-06-02 23:59     ` Joe Peterson
2008-05-28  7:03 [gentoo-dev] Packages " Krzysiek Pawlik
2008-06-05 20:57 ` [gentoo-dev] " Tiziano Müller
2007-12-25 18:19 [gentoo-dev] " Christian Heim
2007-12-26 10:16 ` Gilles Dartiguelongue
2007-12-26 15:39   ` [gentoo-dev] " Bernd Steinhauser
2008-01-24 15:30 ` Ali Polatel
2007-09-05 17:15 [gentoo-dev] " Chris Gianelloni
2007-09-05 17:44 ` [gentoo-dev] " Christian Faulhammer

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